Hello!
As Serum and Vital seem to share quite a lot of common ground, I was thinking - would it be possible to write a script that converts Serum presets and wavetables to Vital?
I don’t know if something like this has ever made between any other two synths/plugins, but would be cool if it’s possible.
Just throwing an idea out there!
Ps. Vital is amazing!
They are only similar in spirit. Exact algorithm details differ between wavetable synthesizers so there is no trivial way to do it.
There might be ways for some extremely motivated AI programmers to do something like try to train a network to learn vital patches from audio, but :shrug:
You can copy the serum wavetable and sample files into your vital folders. Works fine
anyone share these Serum wavetables and sample files ??
I don’t have Serum would love to try it.
I’ve got them in 3 zip folders in a cloud i couldn’t upload them here it said they were over 200,000kb but really they weren’t 
They’re Serum & Massive… I may have created multiple copies of the same folders also xD if so im sorry
https://mega.nz/file/kNYkQLiY#7tmGXLRY3IP7rvkVUrsZj04wkukbM2OnD8le6AtksQM
https://mega.nz/file/9NZGABQK#BGtby0zCCdjf5x7b-jETJnOtG--E9fnI1oR0Bt693AM
https://mega.nz/file/hBRAXDRR#WSHlXcAPgRvp7ZZjb7jKnkt9ZBqKYt0UkAv1Jy2Gs9k
Orrrr, you can just google it and find them on reddit or something
true but there is more to a preset than just the wavetable.
I have tried to convert some, but vital lacks an effect device like the expander/unison tool in Serum.
also, remapping and reverb lfos which Serum patches make use of alot, do not exist in Vital yet.
vital sounds very warm somehow, whereas Serum is crisp by default. two very different souls of equal beauty
Yep, that seems to make it quite impossible then.
Hey thanks for posting this, the only set I see as a duplicate is Classic Synths so one can just delete that.
I had a similar thought, but after I tried to implement several Serum patches manually on Vital, I came to the conclusion that many items are not a simple conversion, due to several differences which could not be realized on one synth or the other. The other problem is the saved preset format. Vital presets are saved as text files with all the parameters listed out in human readable form. Serum presets are saved in a binary format, which are machine readable, and unless someone on the net has a map to how this is done, you would have to reverse engineer it yourself - which is a big project. But, I’ll tell you how I would start: save an Init patch, then begin by changing one knob at a time, save the preset and inspect the values in the preset file. You will begin to see what the pattern is, then you would have to write a program to convert the Serum preset into text. Once you had most of the parameters covered, you could begin to correlate the values of one synth against the other. Then, you could start devising a method to import that preset text into Excel or some spread sheet program. Some of the values do not have a one to one correlation between each other, so you would need to come up with formulas to convert Serum values to the similar Vital values. There are many parameters that translate easier than others. Osc and filter values are pretty easy to figure out, except for exclusive features, and others like the effects, as noted in another post, are just different and cannot be done. A few of the complex filters in Serum can be realized by cascading the 2 filters in Vital, but not all of them. Try converting a well documented Serum patch to Vital yourself, and you’ll likely begin to see the problems. My bottom line is I’m going to have to buy Serum if I want to make those sounds easily - Still $10 a month on Splice last time I checked.
One person I can think of immediately is Dylan Tallchief. He’s poured so much time into making audio tools similar to this I’m sure he may consider it at some point.
Hopefully one day. So many good banks on Serum that I want on Vital
Two completely different synths. You can’t reproduce sounds made on one in the other. (different filters etc)
You may be able to get close but not exact. Better to make sounds in Vital than to try and imitate some other synth.
I also just noticed this file in the Serum Demo AU Plugin package on macOS:
/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/Serum.component/Contents/Resources/SYParameters.txtvst param # name min max display unit default
0 MasterVol 0 100 = % 70
1 A Vol 0 100 = % 75
2 A Pan -50 50 = - 0
3 A Octave -4 4 = Oct 0
4 A Semi -12 12 = semitones 0
5 A Fine -100 100 = cents 0
6 A Unison 0 16 = - 0
7 A UniDet 0 1 ? - 0.5
8 A UniBlend 0 100 = - 75
9 A Warp 0 1 ? - 0
10 A CoarsePit 0 1 ? - 0.5
11 A WTPos 1 256 ? - 1
12 A RandPhase 0 100 = % 100
13 A Phase 0 1 ? ° 0.5
14 B Vol 0 100 = % 75
15 B Pan -50 50 = - 0
16 B Octave -4 4 = Oct 0
17 B Semi -12 12 = semitones 0
18 B Fine -100 100 = cents 0
19 B Unison 0 16 = - 0
20 B UniDet 0 1 ? - 0.5
21 B UniBlend 0 100 = - 75
22 B Warp 0 1 ? - 0
23 B CoarsePit 0 1 ? - 0.5
24 B WTPos 1 256 ? - 1
25 B RandPhase 0 100 = % 100
26 B Phase 0 1 ? ° 0.5
27 Noise Level 0 100 = % 25
28 Noise Pitch 0 100 = % 50
29 Noise Fine -1 1 = % 0
30 Noise Pan -50 50 = - 0
31 Noise RandPhase 0 100 = % 0
32 Noise Phase 0 100 = % 0
33 Sub Osc Level 0 100 = % 75
34 Sub Osc Pan -50 50 = % 0
35 Env1 Atk 0 1 ? ms 0.11
36 Env1 Hold 0 1 ? ms 0
37 Env1 Dec 0 1 ? s 0.5
38 Env1 Sus 0 1 ? dB 1
39 Env1 Rel 0 1 ? ms 0.215
40 OscA>Fil 0 1 ! - 1
41 OscB>Fil 0 1 ! - 0
42 OscN>Fil 0 1 ! - 0
43 OscS>Fil 0 1 ! - 0
44 Fil Type 0 1 ? - 0.0113636
45 Fil Cutoff 0 1 ? Hz 0.5
46 Fil Reso 0 100 = % 10
47 Fil Driv 0 100 = % 0
48 Fil Var 0 100 = % 0
49 Fil Mix 0 100 = % 100
50 Fil Stereo 0 100 = % 50
51 Env2 Atk 0 1 ? ms 0.11
52 Env2 Hld 0 1 ? ms 0
53 Env2 Dec 0 1 ? s 0.5
54 Env2 Sus 0 100 = % 100
55 Env2 Rel 0 1 ? ms 0.215
56 Env3 Atk 0 1 ? ms 0.11
57 Env3 Hld 0 1 ? ms 0
58 Env3 Dec 0 1 ? s 0.5
59 Env3 Sus 0 100 = % 100
60 Env3 Rel 0 1 ? ms 0.215
61 LFO1Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
62 LFO2Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
63 LFO3Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
64 LFO4Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
65 PortTime 0 1 ? ms 0
66 PortCurve -100 100 = % 0
67 Chaos1 BPM 0 1 ? - 0
68 Chaos2 BPM 0 1 ? - 0
69 Chaos1 Rate 0 1 ? - 0.251189
70 Chaos2 Rate 0 1 ? - 0.251189
71 A curve1 0 100 = % 50
72 D curve1 0 100 = % 67
73 R curve1 0 100 = % 67
74 A curve2 0 100 = % 50
75 D curve2 0 100 = % 67
76 R curve2 0 100 = % 67
77 A curve3 0 100 = % 50
78 D curve3 0 100 = % 67
79 R curve3 0 100 = % 67
80 Mast.Tun 0 0 = - 0
81 Verb Wet 0 100 = % 33
82 VerbSize 0 100 = % 33
83 VerbPDly 0 1 ? ms 0.12
84 VerbLoCt 0 100 = % 0
85 VerbDamp 0 100 = % 28
86 VerbHiCt 0 100 = % 50
87 VerbWdth 0 100 = % 100
88 EQ FrqL 0 1 ? Hz 0.333
89 EQ FrqH 0 1 ? Hz 0.666
90 EQ Q L 0 100 = % 60
91 EQ Q H 0 100 = % 60
92 EQ VolL -24 24 = dB 0
93 EQ VolH -24 24 = dB 0
94 EQ TypL 0 1 ? - 0
95 EQ TypH 0 1 ? - 0
96 Dist_Wet 0 100 = % 100
97 Dist_Drv 0 100 = % 25
98 Dist_L/B/H 0 100 = % 0
99 Dist_Mode 0 1 ? - 0
100 Dist_Freq 0 1 ? Hz 0.5
101 Dist_BW 0 1 ? - 0.5
102 Dist_PrePost 0 1 ? - 0
103 Flg_Wet 0 100 = % 100
104 Flg_BPM_Sync 0 1 ? - 0
105 Flg_Rate 0 1 ? Hz 0.25
106 Flg_Dep 0 100 = % 100
107 Flg_Feed 0 100 = % 50
108 Flg_Stereo 0 360 = ° 180
109 Phs_Wet 0 100 = % 100
110 Phs_BPM_Sync 0 1 ? - 0
111 Phs_Rate 0 1 ? Hz 0.25
112 Phs_Dpth 0 100 = % 50
113 Phs_Frq 0 1 ? Hz 0.5
114 Phs_Feed 0 100 = % 80
115 Phs_Stereo 0 360 = ° 180
116 Cho_Wet 0 100 = % 50
117 Cho_BPM_Sync 0 1 ? - 0
118 Cho_Rate 0 1 ? Hz 0.25
119 Cho_Dly 0 1 ? ms 0.5
120 Cho_Dly2 0 1 ? ms 0
121 Cho_Dep 0 1 ? ms 1
122 Cho_Feed 0 1 ? % 0.1
123 Cho_Filt 0 1 ? Hz 0.5
124 Dly_Wet 0 100 = % 30
125 Dly_Freq 0 1 ? Hz 0.5
126 Dly_BW 0.8 8.2 = - 6.8
127 Dly_BPM_Sync 0 1 ? - 1
128 Dly_Link 0 1 ? - 0
129+ Dly_TimL 0 1 ? - 0.625
130+ Dly_TimR 0 1 ? - 0.625
131 Dly_Mode 0 1 ? - 0
132 Dly_Feed 0 100 = % 40
133+ Dly_Off L 0 1 ? - 0.5
134+ Dly_Off R 0 1 ? - 0.5
135 Cmp_Thr 0 1 ? dB 0.5
136 Cmp_Rat 0 1 ? - 0.75
137 Cmp_Att 0 1 ? ms 0.3
138 Cmp_Rel 0 1 ? ms 0.3
139 CmpGain 0 1 ? dB 0
140 CmpMBnd 0 1 ? - 0
141 FX Fil Wet 0 100 = % 100
142 FX Fil Type 0 1 ? - 0
143 FX Fil Freq 0 1 ? Hz 0.5
144 FX Fil Reso 0 100 = % 0
145 FX Fil Drive 0 100 = % 0
146 FX Fil Var 0 100 = % 0
147 Hyp_Wet 0 100 = % 50
148 Hyp_Rate 0 1 ? % 0.4
149 Hyp_Detune 0 100 = % 25
150 Hyp_Unison 0 1 ? - 0.571429
151 Hyp_Retrig 0 1 ? - 0
152 HypDim_Size 0 100 = % 50
153 HypDim_Mix 0 100 = % 0
154 Dist Enable 0 1 ? - 0
155 Flg Enable 0 1 ? - 0
156 Phs Enable 0 1 ? - 0
157 Cho Enable 0 1 ? - 0
158 Dly Enable 0 1 ? - 0
159 Comp Enable 0 1 ? - 0
160 Rev Enable 0 1 ? - 0
161 EQ Enable 0 1 ? - 0
162 FX Fil Enable 0 1 ? - 0
163 Hyp Enable 0 1 ? - 0
164 OscAPitchTrack 0 1 ? - 1
165 OscBPitchTrack 0 1 ? - 1
166 Bend U -24 24 = semitones 2
167 Bend D -24 24 = semitones -2
168 WarpOscA 0 1 ? - 0
169 WarpOscB 0 1 ? - 0
170 SubOscShape 0 1 ? - 0
171 SubOscOctave -4 4 = Oct 0
172 A Uni LR 0 100 = - 100
173 B Uni LR 0 100 = - 100
174 A Uni Warp -100 100 = - 0
175 B Uni Warp -100 100 = - 0
176 A Uni WTPos -100 100 = - 0
177 B Uni WTPos -100 100 = - 0
178 A Uni Stack 0 1 ? - 0
179 B Uni Stack 0 1 ? - 0
180 Mod 1 amt -100 100 = - 0
181 Mod 1 out 0 100 = - 100
182 Mod 2 amt -100 100 = - 0
183 Mod 2 out 0 100 = - 100
184 Mod 3 amt -100 100 = - 0
185 Mod 3 out 0 100 = - 100
186 Mod 4 amt -100 100 = - 0
187 Mod 4 out 0 100 = - 100
188 Mod 5 amt -100 100 = - 0
189 Mod 5 out 0 100 = - 100
190 Mod 6 amt -100 100 = - 0
191 Mod 6 out 0 100 = - 100
192 Mod 7 amt -100 100 = - 0
193 Mod 8 out 0 100 = - 100
194 Mod 8 amt -100 100 = - 0
195 Mod 8 out 0 100 = - 100
196 Mod 9 amt -100 100 = - 0
197 Mod 9 out 0 100 = - 100
198 Mod10 amt -100 100 = - 0
199 Mod10 out 0 100 = - 100
200 Mod11 amt -100 100 = - 0
201 Mod11 out 0 100 = - 100
202 Mod12 amt -100 100 = - 0
203 Mod12 out 0 100 = - 100
204 Mod13 amt -100 100 = - 0
205 Mod13 out 0 100 = - 100
206 Mod14 amt -100 100 = - 0
207 Mod14 out 0 100 = - 100
208 Mod15 amt -100 100 = - 0
209 Mod15 out 0 100 = - 100
210 Mod16 amt -100 100 = - 0
211 Mod16 out 0 100 = - 100
212 Osc A On 0 1 ? - 1
213 Osc B On 0 1 ? - 0
214 Osc N On 0 1 ? - 0
215 Osc S On 0 1 ? - 0
216 Filter On 0 1 ? - 0
217 Mod Wheel 0 100 = % 0
218 Macro 1 0 100 = % 0
219 Macro 2 0 100 = % 0
220 Macro 3 0 100 = % 0
221 Macro 4 0 100 = % 0
222 Amp. 0 100 = % 0
223 LFO1 smooth 0 100 = - 0
224 LFO2 smooth 0 100 = - 0
225 LFO3 smooth 0 100 = - 0
226 LFO4 smooth 0 100 = - 0
227 Pitch Bend 0 1 ? - 0.5
228 Mod17 amt -100 100 = - 0
229 Mod17 out 0 100 = - 100
230 Mod18 amt -100 100 = - 0
231 Mod18 out 0 100 = - 100
232 Mod19 amt -100 100 = - 0
233 Mod19 out 0 100 = - 100
234 Mod20 amt -100 100 = - 0
235 Mod20 out 0 100 = - 100
236 Mod21 amt -100 100 = - 0
237 Mod21 out 0 100 = - 100
238 Mod22 amt -100 100 = - 0
239 Mod22 out 0 100 = - 100
240 Mod23 amt -100 100 = - 0
241 Mod23 out 0 100 = - 100
242 Mod24 amt -100 100 = - 0
243 Mod24 out 0 100 = - 100
244 Mod25 amt -100 100 = - 0
245 Mod25 out 0 100 = - 100
246 Mod26 amt -100 100 = - 0
247 Mod26 out 0 100 = - 100
248 Mod27 amt -100 100 = - 0
249 Mod27 out 0 100 = - 100
250 Mod28 amt -100 100 = - 0
251 Mod28 out 0 100 = - 100
252 Mod29 amt -100 100 = - 0
253 Mod29 out 0 100 = - 100
254 Mod30 amt -100 100 = - 0
255 Mod30 out 0 100 = - 100
256 Mod31 amt -100 100 = - 0
257 Mod31 out 0 100 = - 100
258 Mod32 amt -100 100 = - 0
259 Mod32 out 0 100 = - 100
260 LFO5Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
261 LFO6Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
262 LFO7Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
263 LFO8Rate 0 1 ! - 0.5
264 LFO5 smooth 0 100 = - 0
265 LFO6 smooth 0 100 = - 0
266 LFO7 smooth 0 100 = - 0
267 LFO8 smooth 0 100 = - 0
268 FXFil Pan 0 100 = % 50
269 Comp_Wet 0 100 = % 50
270 Gain L 0 200 = % 100
271 Gain M 0 200 = % 100
272 Gain H 0 200 = % 100
273 LFO1 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
274 LFO2 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
275 LFO3 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
276 LFO4 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
277 LFO5 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
278 LFO6 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
279 LFO7 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
280 LFO8 Rise 0 1 ! - 0.0
281 LFO1 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
282 LFO2 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
283 LFO3 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
284 LFO4 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
285 LFO5 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
286 LFO6 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
287 LFO7 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
288 LFO8 Delay 0 1 ! - 0.0
After a little digging around, I found that the SYParameters.txt file seems to relate to the symbiosis-au-vst lib:
https://code.google.com/archive/p/symbiosis-au-vst/
https://code.google.com/archive/p/symbiosis-au-vst/wikis/Introduction.wikihttps://code.google.com/archive/p/symbiosis-au-vst/wikis/SymbiosisInUse.wikihttps://groups.google.com/g/symbiosis-au-vstSymbiosis seems to be an old software library allowing VST’s to easily convert to/interact with the AU format.
In particular, I was looking deeper at this fork of the code, and noticed it mentions SYParameters.txt in a few places:
https://github.com/blurkk/symbiosis-au-vst-2
https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ablurkk%2Fsymbiosis-au-vst-2+SYParameters.txt&type=code
Symbiosis.mm, mentioned in function:
void SymbiosisComponent::readParameterMapping(const ::FSRef* fsRef)documentation/Symbiosis Documentation.html
Here is the relevant info on this file format extracted from the Symbiosis Documentation.html docs:
Advanced Porting Options
Symbiosis creates two configuration files inside your AU bundle the first time it is launched:
SYParameters.txtandSYFactoryPresets.txt. It will also create.aupresetfiles for all the VST programs in the initial startup bank. All these files are created directly underContents/Resources/in your bundle.It is a good idea to edit at least
SYParameters.txtand you should include all the created files in the final distribution of your Audio Unit. (Please read an important note concerning this under ‘Running Your AU for the First Time’.) If you are using wrapping alternative 3, 4, or 5 (including Symbiosis.mm etc into your VST project) you can simply drop the files into your project and they will be copied in the build process.Finally, if you are serious about creating a fully featured Audio Unit you might want to look into supporting Symbiosis’ optional ‘Vendor-Specific Extensions’ below.
SYParameters.txtThis file is a tab-separated table with parameter information. One line per parameter with an extra header line at the top. You may choose to exclude certain parameters from the AU version by simply removing the corresponding lines from this file.
The columns in this file are as follows:
Column Description vst param # The VST parameter number (zero-based), which is also the unique identifier for the parameter.[^1] name The parameter name as shown to the end user.[^2] min The minimum parameter value.[^3] max The maximum parameter value.[^3] display A string that defines how the parameter is displayed to the end user. Use one of the following: =for linear scaling (within themintomaxrange).bfor boolean switch (0 is off, 1 is on)ifor integer (scaled frommintomax)a|b|c|d for discrete parameter settings, e.g. sine|tri|saw|pulse?to convert the value with the ‘Vendor-Specific Extensions’ (described below).unit The parameter suffix / unit. default The initial default setting. (Scaled according to minandmaxrange.)[^1]: If changes to this parameter will automatically modify other parameters you need to suffix this column with
+. This information is important for AU hosts.
[^2]: You may wish to edit this column as AU can handle longer parameter names than VST.
[^3]: VST parameter values are always between 0 and 1, but AU parameters have arbitrary range. The min and max values are used to scale and normalize the AU parameter range from/to the 0 and 1 range. For discrete parameters (those having|-delimited lists in thedisplaycolumn) theminvalue must be 0 and themaxvalue should be the count of discrete options minus one, e.g.3if there are four choices.
SYFactoryPresets.txtThis file simply contains a list of factory preset files (one file name per row). You can edit this file to remove or add factory presets. Symbiosis expects to find the factory preset files under
Contents/Resources/(as always).
Download the demo. All wavetables are there.